Sunday, September 03, 2006

Episode 21 - Life During Wartime II

PCX reviews The New Avengers V1 #22 & 23
"She's like, 'How could you, Tony?' and he's like-- "
"'Because I'm an ass!'"

10 Comments:

Blogger Charles said...

Okay gang, it's YFF (your favorite fan. Trenchcoat's mom doesn't count.) Another fine episode. Tho, I must say that I think the whole Civil War story in CRAP. First off, least we all forget, 9/11 happened in the Marvel universe, yet you don't see the Bushco in the MU registering muslims, and far more people died on 9/11 then did in the explosion in the suburbs. Secondly, Reed Richards is not a goddamn fascist. Thirdly, and while Bendis isn't writing this, I still think he's a total hack. The only reason he gets any work is because he sucks Quesada's dick better than any of the other hacks.

September 03, 2006 8:05 PM  
Blogger T Mafia said...

That might actually be true; but if that's the case, then Chuck Austen and Ron Zimmerman must've been sucking him off just as well and swallowing to boot!

I like Bendis when he's on his game, but I'll admit "Avengers Disassembled" was the worst Avengers story ever written. We're talking worse than John Byrne's WCA run and "The Crossing" put together.

- Trenchcoat Mafia

September 04, 2006 4:51 AM  
Blogger Martin said...

Hi. Does anybody read these comments? I actually think Iron Man is the good guy here and Cap is the bad guy. I've already explained why in the "Iron Man = Hitler" thread on http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe

Basicly, I think Iron Man has thought this through (see Amazing Spiderman #529-531) but Cap just had a gut reaction based on his dislike of Agent Hill (who I admit is not a nice person). To me, people who make rational decisions are good people whereas people who make gut reactions based on idealism are dangerous. Sorry.

Martin

September 04, 2006 9:34 AM  
Blogger Martin said...

> "She's like, 'How could you, Tony?' and he's like--"
>
> "'Because I'm an ass!'"

Or, better yet...

"How could you Tony?"

"Because for me registering for the SRA is the same as registering a handgun. My armour is essentially a weapon that I choose to own: it isn't part of who I am. I don't know what it is like to be different, not since I got my heart fixed. I fail to see the law as discriminatory."

He did oppose the SRA to begin with and was won over but maybe you guys are right and he will "come around". If it opposed it once then his support for the law shouldn't be as strong as Bendis implies.

Martin

September 04, 2006 10:13 PM  
Blogger Charles said...

But....I liked Bryne's WCA run. I....had low standards. I even liked MarvelUK.

September 05, 2006 12:44 AM  
Anonymous Starhawk said...

Yes, Martin, Starhawk does in fact read the blog; and don't let my comrades from Team-X bully you.

You are right, Tony Stark does have some valid points, and underneath it all, I tend to agree with you/him; but let's just put it to a bit of discussion first.

To whit: Just because a man is born with white skin does not mean he should be considered a racist.
On the other hand, if he chooses to wear a white hood and gets caugth stringing up "[insert racist slur]", he will probably be considered a member of the [insert hate group], and be fairly expected to do "[insert hate group]" like things. Luckily, in this country, the "[insert hate group]" is monitored by the government and kept in check lest all the "[insert racist slur]" get "indianized" - I mean, "native-americanized"; which is to say, wiped out.

Conversely,
just because a man is born with dark skin does not mean he should be subject to the whims of the SGRA (Slur Group Registraction Act). On the other hand, if a "[insert racist slur]" chooses to wear face paint, go out and start raping "[insert color/race]" women, then arguably, his actions should be sanctioned by the government.

So, following the above self-evident considerations:
Tony Stark is a normal guy; and at times he chooses to wear a weapon (for the cause of good).
Spider Woman is a potential weapon (not by choice); and at times she chooses to be a weapon (arguably for the cause of good).
Therefore, both should have to register as combatants and be properly sanctioned and trained to fight the good fight.

So far, so good.

However,
when a citizen is sitting in their home and minding their private business (whether it be cleaning their gun, humping their spouse or (in the case of Luke Cage) sitting in their chair), the goverment should have NO right to invade their privacy and force them into servitude simply because they have the right color skin or the right collection of firearms.

Now,
consider whether Tony Stark has considered this:

1) If I choose to put on a Trenchcoat and smoke a pipe and use my brilliant mind to solve a serious crime (as citizens have done in the past), does that mean I must register with the governement, or work solely for the government?

2) And if I am attacked while investigating a given incident, do I have to die for that investigation? What if I can fight back, and I just happen to have super-strength?

3) What if I have super-strenght and *YOU* are about to die; yet, I have not yet "registered"? Do I get a pardon because I saved your life? Would you advocate for me getting a pardon after I saved *your* life *AND* the life of your child?

Which is simply to say:
Tony Stark hasn't considered shit! He's an asshole who doesn't know where the boundaries of freedom lie.

In a "real" fictitious world, Tony Stark would be considered patently unsuited to head ANY government agenda. After all, didn't he spend YEARS philandering and lying to his stock-holders? Bill Clinton sufferd the fate of the philanderer; Peter Parker has suffered the fate of the liar to stakeholders (aka JJJ). As it has failed for them, so shall it fail for Tony Stark.

'Nuff Said.
Much Love.

Starhawk.BlackLuthor.Accept.BeWise.

September 05, 2006 1:48 PM  
Blogger T Mafia said...

My robot brain needs beer.

- Trenchcoat Mafia

September 08, 2006 9:39 PM  
Anonymous Timmy Thoom said...

Trench;

I think you've mentioned Joey Q's 'no smoking' policy on several episodes, several times each. And each time you speak of this policy as one would speak of a man who eats babies.

What's the big deal? ICan't even remember a time when any Marvel characters smoked, ever. And I don't remember DC 'lighting up' until this year. And whenever I see Rene Montoya or the Detective Chimp light up, I have the same reaction as I would if they had Montoya eat shit.

December 29, 2006 1:05 AM  
Blogger Trenchcoat Mafia said...

Hey, just so you know, I took the liberty of responding to this over on the current-as-of-this-writing (#33) thread, as I suspect that Starhawk and/or Trekkie might want in on this one...

December 29, 2006 1:24 PM  
Blogger XantesFire said...

PCX: The Classics Tour.

1st appearance of Spider-Black/Black-Spider.

StarHawk is great and speaks very well this episode.

You know, as many time as a Helicarrier has either tipped over or fallen you would think cities would ban it from flying over their airspace. And the SHIELD engineers would figure how to atleast keep the jets from falling off the deck.

If the stupid law wasn't in effect it doesn't guaranteed that Cap could have saved the Helicarrier but if it wasn't in effect, Hydra wouldn't be trying to crash the helicarrier into Rhode Island in order to save Spider-Woman.

Spiderwoman was the Skrull queen, did Fury know?
Why was there a pause and it seemed like there was some thought into taking over Hydra, real Spiderwoman would probably had been thinking the man is crazy. Skrull Spiderwoman probably is thinking it would make her job easier but is it in character?

Martin- Tony came around because he saw he can make a profit. He was against it before because he thought it would mess up his Avenger/Starktech franchise.

Thoom- You know why you didn't notice before when a character smoked? Because before it wasn't a big deal, it was just part of the character. Did you notice Ben Grimm or Howard the Duck smoking before? No, because that just blended into their character. They're stogy, grumpy character. Why do you notice when Montoya smokes? Could it be because she's a woman or because other people told you it's not acceptable?

May 08, 2011 8:54 AM  

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